On July 3, the Philadelphia Flyers tendered a massive five-year, $90 million offer sheet to Anaheim Ducks center Leo Carlsson. The deal carries an $18 million average annual value (AAV) and would cost Philadelphia four first-round picks if Anaheim does not match. The Ducks have until July 10 to decide whether to match.
The more I think about that $18 million number, the more I think Philadelphia picked the right amount, because in a way, there might not be a clear winner here. Whichever team ends up with Carlsson gets a 21-year-old potential franchise center. But that team also gets a major cap challenge.
That could create opportunities for the Seattle Kraken.
Seattle is not directly involved in the offer sheet, but it has something one of the teams could need in the near future: flexibility. The Kraken have about $18.4 million in projected cap space, according to PuckPedia, and they have a full 23-player roster.
From a league perspective, this also shifts the restricted free-agent market upward. Obviously, not every RFA is suddenly going to $18 million, or even get close to touching double digits. But more teams may need to pay a premium to keep their best young players away from the offer sheet market.
The salary cap is $104 million this season and is projected to rise to $113.5 million next season and continue increasing in the years ahead. Player salaries are going to keep climbing with it.
That makes the recently inked Mackie Samoskevich contract, which looked good for the Kraken before, look even better now. Seattle signed Samoskevich for three years at $3.85 million AAV. The Kraken front office deserves credit for getting that deal done on July 1 before the Leo Carlsson offer sheet chaos began.
If Anaheim match and keep Carlsson
The most likely outcome still feels like Anaheim matching. Young franchise centers are extremely difficult to acquire, so even at an uncomfortable price, Anaheim general manager Pat Verbeek likely has to match.
Since Carlsson signed the offer sheet, the Ducks also overpaid Pavel Mintyukov on a five-year contract at $7.2 million AAV, a deal made to avoid letting him also get offer sheeted. They also signed 23-year-old defenseman Tyson Hinds to a two-year deal at $900,000 annually. That leaves the Ducks with about $10.2 million in projected cap space and 22 players on their active roster.
The final major piece of business is Cutter Gauthier.
After a 41-goal, 69-point season, Gauthier has plenty of leverage. He is not offer-sheet eligible yet and does not have arbitration rights, but he remains unsigned.
Cutter Gauthier
You might wonder why Gauthier has not received an offer sheet.
The short answer: He cannot.
Gauthier is not yet classified as a Group 2 RFA. To become offer-sheet eligible, a player must meet certain professional experience requirements. For players who sign their entry-level contract at 18 or 19, that means three years of professional experience. A player who is 18 or 19 earns one professional year by playing at least 10 NHL games in a season.
Gauthier has only two years of professional experience under his belt. That gives Anaheim some protection this summer, but it does not remove the pressure. If Gauthier lands in the $13 million to $15 million range, the Ducks would be roughly $3 million to $5 million over the cap, based on their current projection.
The good news for Anaheim is that teams can exceed the cap by 10 percent during the offseason. The Ducks can sign Gauthier first and figure out the rest later, but they must be cap compliant before Opening Night.
The Ducks have players they would likely prefer to move, but several come with modified no-trade clauses and other challenges. Chris Kreider, Alex Killorn, Mikael Granlund, and Frank Vatrano all make between $4.57 million and $7 million annually, and they are all 32 or older.
That does not make them impossible to trade, but it does mean Anaheim could have a difficult time finding takers without getting creative.
Possible Anaheim trade angles
So, how does this affect the Kraken?
If the Ducks match Carlsson and still need to sign Gauthier, Seattle should at least call. Anaheim would need cap relief and may also want defensive help.
Is there a world where the Kraken could offer to take one of those veterans and send back a reasonably priced defenseman and get Anaheim to attach one of their young players? It’s a massive long shot, but what would it take to pry Beckett Sennecke out of Orange County? Hard cap decisions can make teams consider uncomfortable options. Remember, Anaheim already made the difficult choice to trade young defenseman Olen Zellweger to Buffalo to avoid having to sign him to a new contract, and now they’re looking at an even bigger conundrum.
Again, this feels unlikely, but Sennecke would be a huge boost to the Kraken, both now and in the future. He is a 20-year-old right wing coming off a 60-point rookie season, and he fits Seattle’s timeline.
Meanwhile, there’s the currently injured Troy Terry, who is a different type of target. He has been a steady 50- to 60-point player and has four years left at $7 million annually. He also has a 10-team modified no-trade clause and recently had hip surgery, so he will be out until at least November. All those factors complicate things.
Terry would bring skill and production (eventually), but the fit is also not perfect. He is not the most reliable player defensively, which could make it harder for him to fit Lane Lambert’s system.
If Philadelphia lands Carlsson
Philadelphia’s side is more straightforward but still interesting.
The Flyers have about $29.6 million in projected cap space before adding Carlsson. His $18 million cap hit would drop them to about $11.6 million. That sounds manageable, but Trevor Zegras and Jamie Drysdale still need contracts.
If Drysdale lands around $6 million and Zegras pushes toward $7 million, Philadelphia would come up short. That overage would be easier to manage than Anaheim’s potential problem, but it would still require a move.
The Flyers could start the season with 21 players to help become cap compliant. That is not a long-term solution, but it would reduce the urgency to dump salary.
Arbitration wrinkle
Zegras and Drysdale both filed for salary arbitration. That makes them ineligible for offer sheets, but it does not guarantee team-friendly deals.
If an arbitrator awards more than $4,950,080 in a player-elected case, the team can walk away and make the player an unrestricted free agent immediately. That seems unlikely with either player, given their age and upside, though.
More likely, Philadelphia uses the summer 10 percent cushion while it works to become cap compliant. That is where the Kraken could help, but only for the right price.
Possible Philadelphia trade angles
The Flyers players I would call about are Owen Tippett, Matvei Michkov, Jamie Drysdale, and David Jiricek.
Tippett is under contract for six more years at $6.2 million annually. He plays with speed, gets the puck on net and led the Flyers with 28 goals. That is the type of player who should fit Lambert’s system. One might wonder why the Flyers could be willing to move Tippett, but there has speculation out there that Philadelphia is at least listening to calls on him for the right deal.
Michkov, Drysdale, and Jiricek are different cases.
Michkov and Jiricek are young players who are inexpensive now, being that they are on entry-level contracts. They do not help Philadelphia clear much cap space by themselves, so to create savings, one of them would need to be attached to a larger contract.
Drysdale could be a more realistic target because he needs a new deal. But if Philadelphia still values him as a long-term piece, it may prefer to move money elsewhere.
The veteran contract I would target is Rasmus Ristolainen, only if packaged with a young player.
Ristolainen is a 6-foot-5, right-shot defenseman with one year left at $5.1 million. He could slide into Seattle’s top four and would not create long-term cap risk. He also would give the Kraken another Finnish player before the Global Series in November.
The key is the sweetener. Taking Ristolainen by itself should not be the goal. Taking Ristolainen as part of a deal that lands Seattle a promising young player or a legitimate in-his-prime contributor is where it gets interesting.
Philadelphia would also be sending its next four first-round picks to Anaheim if the Ducks do not match the Carlsson offer sheet, which could make the Flyers more interested in draft capital. The Kraken have two first-round picks in 2027, including the pick acquired from Tampa Bay.
That could create a path to a larger deal. Wright could be part of that type of trade, but the return would need to be significant.
The team that misses out
The team that does not end up with Carlsson may still need a center.
That brings the Kraken into the conversation again.
As stated, I personally want Seattle to keep Wright, even though his agent has asked for him to be traded. I still think he is going to blossom, and I do not want the Kraken to give up on him before that happens. Let’s chalk last season up as a sophomore slump and look for him to take a step forward this year.
That said, if a team is looking for young centers, it should call upon the Kraken’s young center emporium. Seattle has Matty Beniers, Berkly Catton, and Shane Wright in the organization, with Jake O’Brien on the horizon.

That does not mean the Kraken should trade any of them. It means general manager Jason Botterill should listen if another team gets desperate.
Talented young centers are at a premium. The Carlsson offer sheet proves that. If another team wants to pay that premium, Seattle should at least answer the phone.
Should the Kraken use an offer sheet?
The Carlsson offer sheet also raises a natural question: Should the Kraken make one of their own?
In most cases, probably not.
The Kraken have the cap space and draft capital to explore the RFA market. But many eligible RFAs have already filed for arbitration, which prevents them from signing offer sheets. The biggest remaining names are players like Connor Bedard and Adam Fantilli.
That sounds fun in theory. In practice, it is hard to see. Offer sheet compensation is based on the average annual value. In Carlsson’s case, the $18 million cap hit is well above the top compensation tier, and if Anaheim does not match, the Ducks receive four Philadelphia first-round picks. A Bedard or Fantilli offer sheet would also hit that top tier.
Philadelphia has shown why an offer sheet can be tempting and has also set the market for how much a team needs to be willing to pay to persuade a young player to sign one. Instead of hoping to win the draft lottery and land a franchise player, the Flyers tried to acquire one directly.
For Seattle, the answer should be no for now. But as the cap keeps rising, this strategy could make more sense in the future. It is hard for a non-playoff team to use this path because its draft picks are too valuable.
For a team in a wild-card spot or sitting third in its division, though, an offer sheet could become a way to improve now instead of waiting on the draft-and-develop path.
Who do you think the Kraken should target in a trade? And is an offer sheet something you want to see Seattle use in the future?








In general I think offer sheets are a good way to overpay in both assets and cap space. These are exactly the kinds of big fish we should be targeting aggressively though.
The danger to me is that our compensation draft picks are unprotected, and until we get out of the muck, they’re likely to be (potentially very) high picks.
Question: What did you think of the idea raised on 32 Thoughts, of a top playoff team (Carolina?) offer sheeting a top player and flipping them to Seattle for other assets? 4 late first round picks are far less risky/valuable than a bottom feeder’s first round picks, and that could make getting rid of Dunn, McCann, Wright, etc. more productive/palatable. We get a star, they get whatever assets they want from the Kraken, end just give up 4 late first round picks to make it happen. What do you think?
One more comment. The Samoskevich trade was clearly crafted with an offer sheet in mind.
The realistic compensation was a 1st and a 3rd. By offering Tampa’s first and a conditional 2nd rounder, Tampa gets marginally more than what they would receive from an offer sheet, without the high value first round pick we’d give up for that offer sheet. These picks were less valuable than our 1st and our 3rd.
That also allowed us to sign Samo to a salary in the 2nd round pick compensation tier ($3.85m) instead of overpaying on an offer sheet. This feels like a win-win for both sides.
I thought about putting something in about the value of Carolina vs Seattle draft picks. The idea of flipping the the offer sheet seems like a loop hole that will get plugged in the future. It is possible to use today and if Carolina or another top team would be open to it, it depends what Seattle has to send in return, if less than Seattle’s 4 first round picks the I would definitely explore this.
Though good teams have the least amount of cap space. Carolina and Dallas are the only good teams that have enough cap space to make it work. Using the 10% overage then could offer ~$19m.
I do wonder if Carolina or Dallas would charge a premium to force the hand of Chicago or Columbus as they will somewhat burn a bridge there. Also I think both Chicago and Columbus will match any offer sheet presented. Bedard could go all the way to the max of 20.8. Fantilli I would hope would be less than than the 18m Carlsson got.
Whatever they ask of us would have to be greater than the value of 4 late first round picks (to them). That’s no small price.
Per the Perri pick chart, 7OA is worth ~3 Carolina 1st round picks, but do they want picks? Prospects? NHL guys? Cap dump? We have everything to offer as a return except elite NHL talent.
It’s also a complicated negotiation, perhaps even more complicated than a regular 3 way trade. It’s an intriguing idea, just hard to imagine it coming together in the end. But stranger things have happened…
why not attempt to get gaulthier off the ducks? not too many teams are left with the cap needed to take a 15 mil plus hit and we have tradeable assets. sennecke would be the most attractive but im just going to assume theyre keeping him.
mccann and tampas 1st and our 2028 1st for gaulthier. they get someone who can score 40 at a cost control and some sweetener.
mccann is not someone i want to lose but gaulthier on a 5 to 7 year deal would be a boon for this team, keep us young and he has size too.
wouldnt mind offer sheeting bedard even though i dont like him that much personally (size, injury history, gets frustrated easily). i dont think hed come here but i cant ignore his scoring ability. id throw 4 1sts away reluctantly for him but i would pay him more than 18 (which wont get it done more than likely) and he really shouldnt get more than what mcdavid is clearing but this is a new world after carlsson.
if philly keeps carlsson as much as id prefer martone to any other flyer i know they arent trading him. tippett then michkov would be decent trade targets.
Firstly, Ducks are screwed either way, simply because Verbeek lost the plot and didn’t take care of business when he should have. I absolutely love it. People seem to covet these “tanking” teams and their awesome ability to draft high (while sucking at hockey). These are the just desserts. I hope SJS get similar treatment. Bottom line is these teams have to stop sucking and start winning. The clock has run out.
Secondly, a Kraken offer sheet on Fantilli is a foregone conclusion. If Seattle offered what they did for Robertson, why wouldn’t they make a similar (or even higher) offer for Fantilli? Nevermind he is a Michigan guy, like Beniers, Samoskevich and…Jason Botterill! CBJ is almost similarly screwed as ANA, because they didn’t take care of business with Fantilli before signing Nishushkin. They also STILL have Greaves and Sillinger unsigned, who have both requested arbitration. If Seattle offers at least 16.5, for example (which they should without hesitating), that would leave CBJ with under $5m in cap room if they matched.
The four 1st’s as compensation don’t even matter. Seattle still has Tampa’s 1st next season, and they just give up four out of the next five seasons. Totally worth it. Seattle already has plenty of very good prospects, including an elite RHD with Reid.
I’m kind of wondering if Seattle isn’t already in discussions with CBJ to make a “gentleman’s” trade with Waddell to help “soften the blow” and make things better for both teams. For example (just spit balling) Shane Wright, Jared McCann, a prospect, three 1st’s and an 4th to CBJ for Fantilli and Johnson. Just get the Michigan guys back together.
would you prefer fantilli over attempting to snag gaulthier off the ducks? we need wings more than we need centers.
Yes. I would much rather have Fantilli for a number of reasons. Also Gauthier cannot be offer sheeted.
i know he cant be offer sheeted, the ducks are just going to be in a cap crunch. can trade for him and give the ducks useful players on expiring contracts.
i feel like fantilli just jams up the middle even more without being a true 1C. Carlsson made sense. Fantilli, eh. but to be fair i watch 0 blue jackets hockey. from a numbers standpoint gaulthier does more but he was also on a very explosive talented line. his shot is wicked too. i have watched almost 0 fantilli so i may be off on him.
And “centers” can play wing. Catton on a line with Fantilli would be ridiculous. You might as well throw O’Brien on the right.
It’s a gross assumption to blithely suggest that all centers can play wing – they’re different skillsets involved that don’t entirely overlap.
Most centers can play wing. That’s one thing that makes them more valuable. Most wings cannot play center.
Yikes that’s an overpay by a wide margin.
Is it? The ceiling is expected to increase $20m over the next two seasons. Over the next two seasons, if you choose not to re-sign McCann, Dunn, Eberle, Gru and Gaudreau, that is another +$25.85m. $16.5m could end up being around 13% of the salary cap for a franchise center.
I’m not sure why you’re talking cap dollars when I’m referencing the trade.
I was on my phone and the thread mechanics start getting confusing. In any event, the trade example was just an example. If Seattle could trade McCann and Wright plus assets for Adam Fantilli and Kent Johnson, that could be interesting. Even just Wright for Johnson could be intriguing, with Johnson being a kid from BC.
The four out of five 1st are the next four available. Unless they trade away next years 1st before they sign Fantilli, it would go to Columbus. If they get Fantilli to sign an offer sheet – I like the idea – it would be in their interst to trade away next years 1st beforehand. Protecting it wouldn’t do any good.
I like the idea of offer sheeting Fantilli, but I’m not a huge fan of THIS team shipping it’s 1st for next year’s draft. The backend is starting to worry me, they should probably try and convert McCann and Dunn into younger pieces, and I don’t think we really know what to make of the end of last season. Personally – and I’m probably on an island here – given the state of the Pacific, I think they have a decent chance of making the playoffs next year. On the other hand, how much better do I think their chances are of making the playoffs (even with Fantilli) than they are of picking in the top three?
Fantilli is the “bird in the hand” play. You’re getting a known 6’2, 205 lb center who is only 21 and has played 82 games in both of the previous two seasons, and 49 in the season before that. You jump at the opportunity to get him if there is a chance. 1st round picks are a crap shoot.
Still too much focus on the forwards – Seattle needs to upgrade the blue line as the current personnel are not at all good enough (and are, for the most part, very slow or not good at playing defense or passing the puck).
People would be amazed at how much better the Kraken offense would look if the defensemen could win board battles or make clean zone exits on a consistent basis. Target a young defensive player on a team with cap issues or where there might be a surplus.
People might be surprised at how serviceable some of the current prospects are going to be, like Bernier, Reynolds, Fiddler, probably Ottavainen and possibly even Jugnauth. You got your coveted elite RHD, and supposedly finding a LH partner is easier. You also have Evans, who seems more than up to the task having already played at the NHL level for multiple seasons. You still have Montour for four seasons after this one, and he is probably still going to be good. You already got rid of Oleksiak, who was a huge liability, so the D is already improved. You should improve when you have the opportunity to improve. If you can get a future star forward, you should do that.
I hope you are right, because frankly the future of the blue line scares the hell out of me if Vince Dunn does not re-sign. How close would you say the prospects are to making the jump to the big league? Please have a big year, Ville Ottavainen.
The D is fine. Not great, but fine. Many teams have much worse D than the Kraken. Our scoring cores is bad. It’s obvious why they’re putting so much focus there.
One thing I like about giving a massive offer sheet to Adam Fantilli is that it would throw a monkey wrench into the Sharks’ rebuild. Considering they are in the Pacific Division, their pain would be the Kraken’s gain regardless of whether the Kraken acquire the player. I do not know that Fantilli will make the contract worth it if they get him, but he would make the team a more attractive destination for other players who are looking for a change of scenery.
Hard pass on Connor Bedard. He just ain’t all that, and he is a bit of a weenie. The Blackhawks are in a different division, so hurting them does not help the Kraken. Besides, we already got them with The Curse of Muldoon, so we do not need to throw any more trouble their way.
Blaize is right, though. The best play is to take advantage of teams that wind up in cap trouble because of the big contracts they are giving to RFAs. Grabbing a defenseman or two would be an absolutely massive coup considering the situation facing them on the blue line the season after this. Maybe the team can then use all that extra cap space to re-sign Vince Dunn and Jared McCann. I for one am very much not looking forward to a Dunn-less future. Sign of the cross, knock on wood.
As for Shane Wright, yeah, he is going to get better, and he may well get a whole lot better. Just consider for a moment what not having Wright in the lineup would do to the forward group. It would mean that Freddy Gaudreau could take over the third line full-time and thus allow Lane Lambert to play it as an old school “check line,” perhaps with Jacob Melanson and Ryan Winterton or Curtis Douglas on the wings. That would mean that the Chandler Stephenson line would not have to spend three-quarters of every night in the defensive zone thus freeing up Berkley Catton/Kaapo Kakko and Ryan Winterton/Mackie Samoskevich to play some offense. That would be fantastic for all of them. It would also mean that Matty Beniers’ line would not have to surrender any offensive zone playing time to a “developmental” thrid line, which means that he, Jordan Eberle, and Jared McCann/Bobby McMann will have the opportunity to continue their run of lighting the lamp. Catton or McCann could flex in as a top-six center to cover for any injury at the position, and Kakko could play any of the wing positions if needed (I love how versatile that guy is). On top of that, it would leave the fourth line to Ben Meyers and any pair of young wingers who earn call-ups from Coachella Valley–say Jagger Firkus or Jani Nyman–where they could thrive as an energy line without long minutes or high expectations. It would be a really flexible forward corps with the opportunity for everyone to play to his strengths. It would suck hard core to lose out on Wright’s potential future as a player, but a Gaudreau thrid line would resolve so many issues in the here and now.
LOL, I mixed up Adam Fantilli with Macklin Celebrini. He’s one of those Italian guys, anyway. Yeah, no point messing with Columbus.
I find it hard to believe CBJ would give up Fantilli even if we gave a stupid offer – they have more cap space than we do and are in a similar spot of wanting to rebuild to relevance. He has to be their cornerstone piece so letting him go for anything seems dumb. An offer sheet that may be interesting to consider instead would be trying to wrestle Simon Edvinsson out of Detroit for <$11.5M. That would cost 2x 1st, 1x 2nd, and 1x 3rd. He is a left shot 6'6" top pair D. Imagine him paired with Chase Reid for the next decade+. That totally frees up trading Dunn for picks/prospects or a scoring threat. Edvinsson could be paired with Larsson for the next year or two giving Reid time to grow.
From the Ducks, I wonder who fits their plans more, Sennecke or Gauthier. Both look to be potential elite wingers with size and scoring touch. If the Ducks determine they cant afford both those guys at $14M+ who would they rather send and what would it take to pull them away.
I really hope we don't give up on Wright, it feels like we would be selling him totally low. This is the year I think we finally need to just accept a step back by design and lean into trusting the young guys a lot more. We should ignore how much we are paying Stephenson since we are not tight to the cap and play him as a 3rd/4th line center. Test out Wright on the 2nd line with 16+ min a night with a PP role and see if he can have a breakout season. They need to deliver a very honest message to him about how we got to where we are and a path forward. Admit RF screwed him some by how they handled him, but point out that the value being offered for him is way lower than we think he is worth. Show him a plan to give him tons of opportunity this year to prove himself, that will either drive his value to an appropriate level we can accept or it resets our relationship and get to a happy place together.
I also hate giving up on Wright. I think he’s going to be a very good player, and it was awesome when he dropped to us at 4th. It sounds like he is the one asking for a change of scenery, though.
No coach cares how much players are getting paid when deciding ice team. When a young center shows he can take the reins and play 1 or 2C they’ll get ice time. Shane has shown he can’t hang and doesn’t have the drive or ability to take the adversity and turn it into something positive. Ice time isn’t what makes players develop. He’s already getting favorable ice time and he’s failing on his own accord.
Your comment is wrong on so many levels.
He is still very young and is playing highly protected minutes with minimal exposure. There is a ton of pressure to not screw up…they have not given him a vote of confidence to really develop.
Curious about what evidence you see that he is a bust…it’s a strong judgment to say he can’t hang and doesn’t have the drive.
Look at early seasons of Jack Hughes, Tage Thompson, Adrian Kempe…lots of the biggest stars today were BAD for several seasons. Heck McKinnon after being rookie of the year was bad his sophomore year and mediocre for a few more. Now look at him. Would you have written. All of them off?
He may not become 1C super star but I think given where he is at he can still easily grow into a strong second line player with some patience.
They’ve literally put Shane in position to maximize his strength and minimize his weakness and he has one of the lowest shooting %s in the team. This is all on him as much as you want to deny the facts presented and keep trying to deflect blame. Other kids aren’t having this problem including Catton.
No one is writing Shane off but they’re identifying that Shane is visibly not getting better at the rate he should be. He’s also now throwing a tantrum and wanting out which shows a kid whose head is not in the right space and he’s not accepting responsibility for his own inability to put it together.
As to your comment re vet, you mentioned money again wrt vets. Every coach has a mandate to win. No coach is out there trying to lose, ever. Coaches play players because it gives them the best chance to win period. Shane has yet to show any glimpse that he is remotely responsible enough and good enough in offense to justify giving him more responsibility. Again, Catton pretty much invalidates any argument you had here. In just one season, he had already earned PP time.
Fundamentally, every point you tried to make here just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the league works. It’s distorted by what you want to believe because it’s the only narrative you can accept as to why Shane isn’t progressing. The answer, like in most cases, is always the obvious one…. Shane’s problems is between Shane’s ears. Shane should be embarrassed to be outplayed by a 19 year old and use that to drive him to be better… not cry like a baby to be moved
Coahces who have a mandate to win will lean in safe bet veterans – generally the higher paid guys. There is way less upside but the minimize the downside. We were in the hunt until the trade deadline so Lane was focused more on winning every game than how to build players and a team for 3 years from now.
Update regarding my “Fantilligate” ideas. Obviously, the very intelligent experts who deeply analyze these moves may deduce that Adam Fantilli actually isn’t worth any of it, and we are better off to invest our eggs in O’Brien, Reid, Miettinen, etc. I am OK with that, too.
I’m with you on this, we’re not ready for that big investment. Maybe in three years if we play our cards right.
I’m not saying that.
in a couple of years these guys are going to cost 20 plus mil.
For players with contracts expiring in a year, like McCann and Dunn, if they refuse to sign an extension, I would look to trade them to an Eastern Conference team with a deep U23 asset pool, such as the Red Wings, Canadiens, or Sabres. I would keep Wright.
I don’t know that they’re refusing to sign… it’s way more likely we don’t want them back. They can get us assets and don’t fit our window.
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